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Lammerlaws treasures - relics of the Goldfields...plus Gold finds.
Lammerlaw
#1 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 5:30:50 p.m.(UTC)
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I decided to share some of the items which i have found and kept over the years relating to the goldfields of New Zealand with an emphasis on Otago - Goldfields history is not just getting out there to get it but it is also having respect and understanding for and of those who came before us and the things they left behind.

THIS THREAD WILL BE ADDED TO FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS SO NEW PHOTOS NOW AND AGAIN...YOUR COMMENTS and THOUGHTS MORE THAN WELCOME - Comments are good encouragement to continue.


I am not a computer whizz kid and in truth quite computer illiterate so I will try my best to show some items from the gold fields without buggering up the effort. If no photos show then I need some one to come here and do it for me!

I wanted it to come out as an actual photo but it didnt...yes it has...major victory for me considering me and computers are sworn enemies though I dont mind the photos of naked women who appear for no reason now and again.

This photo is of the original name plate from the Canton Battery in Waipori - it was collected around the time of the depression or WWII by the grandson of Aspinal of Skippers canyon.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 5:36:22 p.m.(UTC)
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hi shame about the photo it took me ages to work out how to down load a photo

its about time you started your own page to tell your stories

cheers kiwikeith
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 5:39:49 p.m.(UTC)
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I am having another try Keith so fingers crossed

The Wilfrey concentrator table name plate collected around the Depression or WWII by J.A. White - It came from Bald Hill Flat apparently, now called Fruitlands.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 5:43:44 p.m.(UTC)
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This photo is of a copper dry blowing dish which I collected in central Otago many years ago together with a powder flask I also got in Central and an original miners 'poke' very old and dated back to probably Australia and definitely Gabriels Gully or the Arrow if not both. I have seen a couple of the pokes exactly the same as this one so assume they must have been commercial ones.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 5:48:53 p.m.(UTC)
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This is another copper dry blowing dish I also collected long ago in my wanderings - the holster and pistol have guaranteed provenance as having belonged to E.H.Cameron manger of Studholme property. Studholmes owned land all around the place including inland Otago. The pistol has its original holster dated 1862 though the gun itself was made between the years 1851 and 1854 and is an 1851 Model Adams revolver. The Adams and the Tranters were the top of the line British pistols in their day and were a major competitor to the Colts - although subject to debate the Adams and Tranters were superior in every way to Colts although the Colt was a six shooter and the Adams and Tranters were five. The Adams and Tranters also had solid frames so were somewhat tougher.
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great it worked

not to sure about your concentrator????????
what is it resting on looks like hair of some sort how did you get her to sit so still
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#8 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 5:57:19 p.m.(UTC)
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Another copper dry blowing dish with another gold fields gun. The types of firearms a person carried could well betray his station in life and country of origin. This pistol is a Coopers patent double action revolver in .31 calibre. It is reputed to have come form the West Coast gold fields and without a doubt would have been carried by an American miner - these guns are quite scarce and were known as 'civil war' revolvers as they were popular as a back up gun though their only real practical use was probably to intimidate someone who didnt oblige to carry out your wishes or to stick up some ones nose at a card table. In saying that however I know of three other .31 calibre revolvers carried on the Otago gold fields, one by the guard on the Gold escort. That particular gun came into my hands in 1972 and is now in Australia - it was not a Coopers but a Colt. The .31 Colt was an inferior gun in three regards as the Cooper had three features which made it a better gun not counting the fact that the Coopers is a double action.
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yes i could use one of those
mind you my 45.70 blows a good hole in poaches
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#7 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 6:04:44 p.m.(UTC)
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kiwikeith;7696 wrote:
great it worked

not to sure about your concentrator????????
what is it resting on looks like hair of some sort how did you get her to sit so still


I skinned her! I think she is the first goat that I got - it fell to a hail of gunfire about forty five years ago and seems to be lasting the distance better than me. One of our two cats took a liking to it - and tended to visit it for 'comfort stops'

The dry blowing dishes all have Central origins and are more or less the same as in several museums but they all seemed to be 'made to order' as I have only seen one other like the one with the Adams gun and the ones in the Otago Museum, 'Southern peoples Display' are all made of zinc or tin. Mostly they are copper. They seem to be all sligtly different in shape and size.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 6:10:51 p.m.(UTC)
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kiwikeith;7700 wrote:
yes i could use one of those
mind you my 45.70 blows a good hole in poaches


Keith - The dragon, alias Mad Madam Mim has just got my tea but before I have it I will practice my new found skill by showing you my toy...well oneof my toys - I was told it was actually used during the american Civil War, converted to metallic cartridge, sent out West to serve in the Indian Wars and now I have it - it is not a 45 - 70 but its a 50 - 70
Its an 1863 Model Sharps.
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yea thats bigger than mine
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#13 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 6:33:49 p.m.(UTC)
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kiwikeith;7706 wrote:
yea thats bigger than mine


I never have owned a .45 - 70 and dont you dare tell anyone, especially not the dragon I live with, that I want one - missed a really nice Springfield .45 - 70 once.

I also have a 56 - 50 as well and it is shown below - its an American Spencer - they were the first really practical and successful military repeater - I am aware of the Henry, Volcanic and Colt revolving carbine etc but these were the first truly practical military repeater. Ironically enough during the Maori Wars Te Kooti ran around shooting white men with one of these seven shooters while they were struggling to reload their single shot Callisher and Terry Carbines!

The second gun I can no longer shoot from the shoulder as it sparks off massive migraines - its a Brand manufactured, shoulder whale harpoon gun - an 'Earsplittingloudenboomer' and is 7/8 inch calibre whatever that it is - .875 I think - I used to shoot it with stones, bolts, nuts, bits of glass - if it went down the hole it came back out again!

That 45 - 70 of yours is a Marlin so I approve wholeheartedly - The Marlin is a great rifle - I had a nice Model 1894 Marlin in 44 Magnum once for pigs. I also have two Marlin Golden 39A .22 rifles for errant rabbits.
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I know that lots of people love Garden Gnomes - I actually quite like them as well - they make beaut targets - these are my garden ornaments - the dragon hates them and wants me to have a sale but no one will buy her.
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I see the concentrator was made by Otis. Did anyone die in it when it plunged to the ground?

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oroplata;7710 wrote:

I see the concentrator was made by Otis. Did anyone die in it when it plunged to the ground?



Somehow I think a concentrator table stays close to the ground so a fall off one would not incur any great problem unless you fell head first onto a bed of nails that should never have been there in the first place! Whether Austral Otis has anything to do with Otis lifts I wouldnt have a clue - of course if you got jafa to put some of his fictitious dynamite under a concentrator table and sat on it you might have an uplifting experience followed by a correspondingly heavy fall. The only time any analogy might be made between Otis lifts and the concentrator table would be the uplifting experience when you found a fair amount of gold on the table
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Some more goldfields relics

The ingot mould on the right was used on the Alexandra Dredge - there were two moulds - this BNZ mould has been used to the extent that the writing embossed in the bottom is virtually illegible but that fact is more than made up for by the gold adherence evident on the bottom and sides!

The gold samples - the one on the left was a specimen stone sent to England to raise capital for the OPQ mine at Waipori and the middle one was sent to raise capital for the Golden Progress at Oturehua as per comm J.A.White son of Robert White manager of the Sandhills Dredge at Skippers, grandson of Aspinal of Aspinals claim also at Skippers where J.A. was born. I believe that J.A. got them from his grandfather who was a principal figure in Otago goldmining.

The sample on the right was pillaged, plundered and 'acquired' by a chap I knew as a lad who was a mining engineer - As a kid I liked to listen to his yarns about Gallipoli - we used to play war at his place - the guys who had his pistol were the 'baddies' - We were only at Primary School and here we were running his around his section in Beach Street, Waikouaiti playing war with a real, working and fully functional Broomhandle Mauser automatic pistol - Can anyone imagine the total chaos and hell to pay if that happened today - it was a better lifestyle back then.

The old chaps name is commemorated on the Waikouaiti War memorial - G.R.Williamson MM - I remember his Military Medal won for bravery at Gallipoli sitting with his other three medals in a drawer in a tobacco tin in his shed!
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Hi there Lammerlaw. Great to see your pics. And thanks for taking the time to publish them. Its alot of work. Good to see.

Shane
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#19 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 9:14:44 p.m.(UTC)
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Another two photos

The scales in the little banjo shaped containers are Chinese and these came in different sizes. At one stage years ago I worked out the Troy equivalent of the calibrations on the smaller set so I could actually use them but have forgotten now. They have two or three sets of calibrations so that means that they can be used for other weighing applications besides gold, chiefly I would think Opium.

The other scales are European and the oldest is the smaller set - probably 1860s era. The largest set in an old case are the oldest of the Avery Scales as they are marked Avery Late Beach and came from a Chinese mining claim. Due to an explanation that I hope to remember to include in later photos the Chinese who owned this claim must have been unlike most of the Chinese miners as they appear to have come from a higher social class as some others of their possessions relate to a family who was well off. The set of scales that appear newest are still old, they are Avery and came from J.A.White so presumably were his fathers when his father was manager of the Sandhills Gold dredge prior to 1900

A hint to anyone who picks up a very old set of scales with frayed and rotten string between the cross arm and the pans - if you wish to replace the string then look around for old time fly line, real old stuff - you will find it now and again on old reels in second hand shops so its worth buying the reel just for the string. The older set with the string has had the string replaced with string from a reel but I left some of the old rotten string in the box to show people that the two strings are actually one and the same!
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Hi Graham.
You must be happy with the new camera, pics look great.
Your collection is truly impressive, thanks for taking the time to show me some of your treasures the other week.
Look forward to having a catch up.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, 1 December 2011 9:31:09 p.m.(UTC)
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creamer;7715 wrote:
Hi there Lammerlaw. Great to see your pics. And thanks for taking the time to publish them. Its alot of work. Good to see.

Shane


Hi Shane

I have learnt a new skill so putting it to practice so I dont forget - until now my son has done it all for me so this is a new experience and a major victory...and thanks for the comment - much appreciated.
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